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Suggested settings for Mushkin Enhanced PC3200?
« on: October 11, 2013, 03:35:18 AM »
I would kindly like to ask about suggested settings for best performance of these Mushkin Enhanced PC3200 sticks with Winbond BH-6 chips in them, IIRC. I currently running one stick (dunno where the others are, but I look them up) of this 512MB dimm into Sapphire PI-A9RX480 mobo (S939) at these settings - bold ones I did not understand well:

Sapphire Grouper A9RX480 mobo settings, Opteron 148
FSB bus frequency -    279Mhz
HTT divider ratio -    800Mhz or 4x
CPU FSB multiplier -    10
PCIExpress frequency -    111

To get the idea what settings are there, take a look:


Radeon Xpress 200 Voltage -    Default (1.22V)
CPU Voltage -    Default (1.40V)
HTT Voltage -    Default (1,22V)
PCI-E 1.2 Voltage -    Default (1,22V)
PCI-E 1.8 Voltage -    Default (1,80V)

HT Link Configuration -    Enabled
Upstream LDT Bus Width -    16bit
Downstream LDT Bus Width -    16bit
LDT Bush Frequency -    800Mhz (4 x FSB)
NB HT PLL Control -    Manual
PLL High Speed Mode -    High Speed
PLL Stability Calibration -    00 (00 - 1F)

Memclock DRAM Frequency divider -    166 (that give about 231MHz for the rams)
Refresh Period (Tref) -    200 - 7.8us

1T/2T mem timing (Command Per Clock) -    1T
Read Preamble Time -    5,5ns
Async Latency value -    7ns

R/W Queue Bypass Count -    16x
Dynamic Iddle Counter -    Disabled
IdleCycle Limit -    256 cycles
Bypass Max -    7
Memory DQ Drive Strength -    Not Reduced
ODD divisor correct -    Disabled
DRAM  Drive Strength -    Normal Drive
DQS Hysteresis -    Disabled
Burst20pt -    Disabled
Digital Locked Loop (DLL) -    Enabled
Disable Jitter -    Disabled
DDR Memory Drive Strength -    Nominal
Dual DIMM -    Auto
DLL Speed Override -    Enabled
DLL Speed -    High Speed

32 Byte Granularity -    Disabled

currently running at 200MHz Mushkin Ehnanced PC3200 settings:
TCL - 2
TRAS - 6
TRCD - 2
TRP - 2
TRRD - 2
TRC - 8
TRFC - 24
TRWT - 2
TWTR - 2

TWR - 2
2,72V

What I aim at is this:
1) I would like to know how best set the timings (mainly the ones in bold)
2) I would like to know, what settings to relax fist, when I hit a wall with pushing clock up (IIRC at 216MHz first problems arise with the 2-2-2-6 settings)


PS. TWTR set to 1 - no chance in speed, so, useless :)
TRWT set to 1 - and from 1610 we get to 1635MB/s :) Not bad, not bad :)
TRFC - when set to 9 the ram did not made it and the mobo is just desperately beeping. Settings 16, 14 and 12 works, but absolutely no increase (and no decrease either) in speed. 11 is tested right now in Prime95 and looks like it is holding well...

According to the french tweakers ( http://www.tweakers.fr/timings.html ) it should be:
optimal TRAS = TCL + TRCD + 2 ( in this case then 6 )
optimal TRC = TRAS + TRP ( in this case then 8 )
...and the TREF the bigger the better. That make sense, because the faster the ram need to be refreshed, the less time remain for CPU to access it... But it is the TREF setting named in this mobo as TRFC...?

Also I'm very interesed about te Memory DQ Drive Strength setting - they write in this overclock quite:
http://digilander.libero.it/ing.tripodina/Overclocking_Guide_CrossFire_Xpress3200.pdf
...that setting Not reduced if good for CPUs with CG and D revision/stepping. On the other hand, for CPUs with revision/stepping E should be the drive strenght lowered to reach maximum overclock. For example with Samsung TCCD 512MB ram and revision/stepping E is necessary to lower the Memory DQ Drive Strength to 50%.

So the million dollar question is, what revision/stepping my Opteron 148 have:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/grouper/Opty148_2.htm
...to me this looks like as revision E, so the lowering of the DQ Drive Strenght should be in order...?


PS2. Trying first little steps by overclocking it and I hit wall right away... 210MHz did not boot to Win, 209 will, but never finish even SuperPi 1M test, so... bad bad overclocking. I must do something very wrong...
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Re: Suggested settings for Mushkin Enhanced PC3200?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 07:33:42 AM »
After following a Mushkin advice to set loose timings first, I get nasty surprise. Loosening the timings to 3-3-3-8 TRC 13 and TRFC 18 cause bios lockup and mobo beeping desperately. I quess that, like VIA, the CAS 3 is probably no-go on the RX480 chipset :(

So, this settings works fine:


There is Everest report about the rams:


...and I tried the relaxed settings into the AMD64Tweaker (getting tired of setting the bios and bricking the mobo):

Set 3-3-3-8 TRC 14 and TRFC 18 - immediate lockup, total freeze.
Set just TCL to 3 - immediate lockup, total freeze.
...
So I tried TCL 2.5 setting (just this) - and it seems to work, worked for half of sec, till I tried to move my cursor to set the another settings to 3... to get relaxed timings.

The mainboard seems refuse to accept anything bellow TCL 2 at this point. But with TCCD rams I used it at 2,5-3-3-7 TRC 16 and TRFC 18! That is nuts. No drive strenght (Memory DQ Drive Strength, DRAM Drive Strength and DDR Memory Drive Strength) changed from default.

Beats me.

Could be that the NB HTT PLL Control set to High speed and also the PLL High Speed Mode set to High Speed predetermine that nothing under TCL 2 is acceptable? Nop... it freezed when I disable both of these settings as well :(
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Re: Suggested settings for Mushkin Enhanced PC3200?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 07:33:42 AM »

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Re: Suggested settings for Mushkin Enhanced PC3200?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2013, 05:45:42 PM »
Only 2.74V, seems to be adequate and I don't think that I should be getting any higher ATM. Or should I? The mobo support up to 4.40V, witch will kill CPU (more that 2V difference between Vcore and Vdimm is sure death) ...

And following advice from TechpowerUp tests that AMD 64 memory controllers works best with the TRAS 7 I changed the setting accordingly (TRAS 7 - means that the TRP have to be 9), yet no speed-up. Also no slow-down, so when it is recommended for AMD 64, then why not?
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/crucial/tracer4000/
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TRAS always at 7, this gives highest memory bandwith when used with the Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) of the Athlon64.

And yep, I trying to get as deep, as I can and understand these settings. I also would like some overclock, for christ sake! :) 208MHz is pathetic at best and unstable on top of that = useless...

Also I'm somewhat in shock, that the mobo refuse to work w/o TCL 2 settings. Most rams cannot even get TCL 2 and using OCZ TCCD sticks I was running at TCL 2.5... so WTF?! Anyone?
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